Afternoon Session 2 – Room 2

Liveblogged David Fono | 19 June 2010 | 0 Comments

(come back later for edited version!)

Ryan Kellen – Software art, copyright and intellectual property, advertising

- It’s great that we’re talking about privacy, but he thinks that the way the market is working right now is working just fine

- As an advertiser on Facebook (the customers of Facebook), privacy is protected

- Privacy issues we’re worried about are more issues of advertising, majority of our culture is being funded by advertising…we’re mad that our information is being used by marketers

- Paid services right now fail, so you need the advertisers.

- How do we create markets for ourselves so that companies don’t need to go to advertisers to get paid

- What about involving the ISPs? Using people’s spaces that they pay for and get coders to use that?

- Push everyone to block every ad!

- Massive costs with running Google, Facebook, etc. and if you’re successful then they can just remove service…that’s a bigger weapon

- Use a more peer-to-peer model and rather than upload to one place and access there

- Problem here is that we need more IP addresses

- When you buy blank CDs, there is a tariff that goes to Canadian Recording Artists. Why not a tariff on internet connections? Make Canadians the customer.

- Is getting rid of advertising the end goal? Do all people hate it? Love it?

- Do robots reading your email bother you?

- If you want to solve privacy, we need to be the customer and there needs to be no market for advertisers

- Is the worry that advertisers are going to find out our personal information…or our bosses?

- Data tracking in companies: someone keeps on getting personalized ads that have trigger words in them, (i.e. Pride Week) and they put together that the employee may be gay without the employee disclosing it

- Various ways to target advertising: behavioural, search based, profile

- What about demographic syndicalism? Our information has value to advertisers, the more info we give the more they will pay. Sell aggregate data, requires that we trust the company that’s compiling the data.

- What about pooling and aggregating our data on our own, syndicate it…and then sell it!

- Have a third party have your data and they protect it and act as a third party on the site and they protect your data with Facebook

- Make it easy to sell and pay for content, get rid of advertising

- Payment should be voluntary

Yukari Seko – Photography of self-harm on social media platforms (Flickr)

Photography display of self-harming challenges of social norms, what is public and what is private?

- Hard to define what “privacy” is, more a discussion of risk

- Touches on voyeurism, exhibitionism

- There is the extremely private person and there is the person who over shares, we all choose the level of what we share

- One of the problems is triggering and copycatting

- What if people are saying photographs of self-harm as art?

- The internet used to be very anonymous (you had a nickname)

- Where is a social media site that we aren’t judged for not using our real name

- What is your responsibility for seeing something online and public that should perhaps have professional intervention?

- Regulated internet for kids, for 18+, etc.

- How do we even set that bar?

- The boy in Florida who committed suicide while streaming on webcam. There were people who encouraging/challenging.

- Is there responsibility? How do we identify who is responsible? Shouldn’t we protect their information just like we want ours protected?

- Who decides what is right and wrong?

- Seeing a cigarette ad versus seeing someone smoking, seeing a photo of someone self-harming versus seeing someone self-harming.

- Postsecret.com – Public confessional. Role filled by priests where it is individual to individual, postsecret is individual to Internet

- Is calling something art an excuse? Should that protect content?

- Who has control over our bodies and how we express ourselves?

- There are a lot of steps between self-harm to photographing to uploading to viewing on Flickr.

- If we hide things we think aren’t “good” then should we hide things like source code? (Once again how do we define “good”)

- By allowing this are we glorifying it?

- Stop thinking about social media as default, being human is the default. Social networks are extensions of personal relationships

- Some degree of warning for glorified  acts of violence

- Who defines norms? What about someone who is just slightly off the norm?

- Artists push the boundaries of social norms

- Fiction vs. Documentary

- Artists take in their experience of reality and share it

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